[simon]

They're Autoglym people. Paints always been fine. The black plastic is another story. Soft as shit and you'd need cotton wool softness to avoid swirls. Even then I bet it'd leave swirls.

 

[stux]

Had a chat with my dealer today and learned a few things about Adblue. Adblue levels are monitored by a sonic sensor which determines the level of Adblue in the tank by reading the surface level from above. MY17 cars are prone to warnings if the tank is even a little overfilled which can result in an engine shut off - engine will not start as Adblue is too low (= cannot be measured by an oversensitive sensor) MY16 are not so sensitive.

The second issue is that poor quality Adblue warnings have been occurring due to a software fault. Nonetheless, when buying Adblue it is important that it complies with the relevant standard.

You mean this one?

Have I got some updates for this thread

Okay, so first thing, I'm onto my third tank of AdBlue... and I'm getting about 7500KM/fill (4660 miles). Which I'm not very happy about.

So, a couple of weeks after the last fill, my amber transmission warning light comes on...

Pull over, check manual... says its an emissions control problem, but safe to drive... so drive a few more days while I wait to see LR on Monday. Next thing the light is replaced with the above warning... "No Engine Restarts In 870km. Diesel Exhaust Fluid Dosing Malfunction".

Awesome.

At first they gave me the third degree on what type of AdBlue I used (the AdBlue type that Shell sells for filling up cars...)

And then they informed me that the Corporate Service Plan *now* includes AdBlue top ups. Good. Because they insisted it didn't last time. I expect this will make people a lot happier, since they like to charge about $250 a fill, where as Shell charges... $23.

Anyway, at first they thought it was a loose pin on the sensor... so fixed that, reset, etc...

They kept it for two days, having to do extensive on road testing or something like that.

2 hours after picking the car up, it happened again.

So back to the dealer.

This time they diagnose an issue with the ECM, or PCU. And its going to take 4-6 weeks to get a replacement. And since the countdown has started... I can't really use the car for 4-6 weeks.

So, Land Rover supplied a Discovery 5

( the Disco 5 drives well, but the 180 TD4 engine in the super base spec is very underpowered, fine in a DS though. Air suspension was neat. I prefer the steering wheel)

...

Anyway, fast forward a week later, and my dealer calls me to tell me they received updated instructions from JLR. Reset the PCU 3 times and update the software with a new build they received over night... and apparently that's fixed it. Well... we'll see.

They mentioned the original PCU had gotten corrupted.

So, a SW issue? Exacerbated by a loose pin on the sensor? I dunno.

Wonder what my DEF usage is going to be now...

 

[sddawson]

I think I'm getting about the same Adblue range as you (also In Aus). The manual actually says 10,000Km per tank, but can be half that. So we're somewhere in between. Dealer charges $120 to fill (not on a corporate plan), which is ridiculous for something so cheap and quick. If they're going to pump through the stuff at this rate because of the engine design, they ought to at least do a refill at cost. My service department even uses the little 2 litre bottles to do the refills, which has GOT to be a waste of money.

I'm having this major new software update installed soon as well, in an attempt to rectify ongoing black-screen issues with the entertainment system (discussed in another thread). Here's hoping it cures a lot of ills!

 

[stux]

I think I'm getting about the same Adblue range as you (also In Aus). The manual actually says 10,000Km per tank, but can be half that. So we're somewhere in between. Dealer charges $120 to fill (not on a corporate plan), which is ridiculous for something so cheap and quick. If they're going to pump through the stuff at this rate because of the engine design, they ought to at least do a refill at cost. My service department even uses the little 2 litre bottles to do the refills, which has GOT to be a waste of money.

I'm having this major new software update installed soon as well, in an attempt to rectify ongoing black-screen issues with the entertainment system (discussed in another thread). Here's hoping it cures a lot of ills!

Thanks. Agree on the cost.

They sell this one at Shell/Coles Express for less than $30 iirc. Comes with a filler.

Although there is a filler, its a bit tricky to fill without spilling. If I didn't now get AdBlue topups included, I would probably get a single bottle, cut of the back side and use that as a funnel in future. Could even fill up with pumped AdBlue then.

 

[sddawson]

I actually got a couple of the 2l leak-proof bottles from the dealer (empty). When the next fill is due, I plan on filling one up from a big bottle and doing it that way.

 

[Chippy]

I actually got a couple of the 2l leak-proof bottles from the dealer (empty). When the next fill is due, I plan on filling one up from a big bottle and doing it that way.

Same here except I bought the leak proof bottle (full of course!)

 

[Guest]

Just for info Quickco are selling the Greenchem Adblue for around a quid a litre here

https://www.quickco.co.uk/product/emergency-breakdown-85998/greenchem-adblue-10l-container-adbl10/ADBL10

Yes I have the service plan so would get the topup free from my local dealer, but given that my dealer is 35 miles away the cost and time involved in making a trip solely for them to do the job more than outweighs the cost of buying these bottles and doing it myself! Seems like a no-brainer

 

[geomacl]

I am extremely concerned about this AdBlue additive. I purchased my DS Tech about 7 months ago and had only done just over 4000 miles when the warning system kicked in. First it was the 1500 warning - then about 10 days and around 200 miles later I got the 1000 mile warning!! Today I went to LR dealer (service plan) for "free" top up. On checking the "Service" function, it stated that it would be only 5300 miles before next refill.
This is a nonsense - but JLR say that "DEF consumption depends on your driving style" - more like a random dependency.
Has anyone else experienced this sort of ludicrous DEF consumption?

 

[Dashnine]

I am extremely concerned about this AdBlue additive. I purchased my DS Tech about 7 months ago and had only done just over 4000 miles when the warning system kicked in. First it was the 1500 warning - then about 10 days and around 200 miles later I got the 1000 mile warning!! Today I went to LR dealer (service plan) for "free" top up. On checking the "Service" function, it stated that it would be only 5300 miles before next refill.
This is a nonsense - but JLR say that "DEF consumption depends on your driving style" - more like a random dependency.
Has anyone else experienced this sort of ludicrous DEF consumption?

Plenty of others have with the later cars (LR upped AdBlue usage to get NOx levels under control for the emissions tests), did you read the thread, or even some of it?

 

[zaphod]

I read online AdBlue/DEF is basically a mixture of urea and water. I was thinking in an emergency I could do the "obvious".

 

[Past master]

I read online AdBlue/DEF is basically a mixture of urea and water. I was thinking in an emergency I could do the "obvious".

Cue the old "bee pee" joke?

 

[stux]

Had a chat with my dealer today and learned a few things about Adblue. Adblue levels are monitored by a sonic sensor which determines the level of Adblue in the tank by reading the surface level from above. MY17 cars are prone to warnings if the tank is even a little overfilled which can result in an engine shut off - engine will not start as Adblue is too low (= cannot be measured by an oversensitive sensor) MY16 are not so sensitive.

The second issue is that poor quality Adblue warnings have been occurring due to a software fault. Nonetheless, when buying Adblue it is important that it complies with the relevant standard.

You mean this one?

IMG_6996_scaled.jpg

Have I got some updates for this thread

Okay, so first thing, I'm onto my third tank of AdBlue... and I'm getting about 7500KM/fill (4660 miles). Which I'm not very happy about.

So, a couple of weeks after the last fill, my amber transmission warning light comes on...

Pull over, check manual... says its an emissions control problem, but safe to drive... so drive a few more days while I wait to see LR on Monday. Next thing the light is replaced with the above warning... "No Engine Restarts In 870km. Diesel Exhaust Fluid Dosing Malfunction".

Awesome.

At first they gave me the third degree on what type of AdBlue I used (the AdBlue type that Shell sells for filling up cars...)

And then they informed me that the Corporate Service Plan *now* includes AdBlue top ups. Good. Because they insisted it didn't last time. I expect this will make people a lot happier, since they like to charge about $250 a fill, where as Shell charges... $23.

Anyway, at first they thought it was a loose pin on the sensor... so fixed that, reset, etc...

They kept it for two days, having to do extensive on road testing or something like that.

2 hours after picking the car up, it happened again.

So back to the dealer.

This time they diagnose an issue with the ECM, or PCU. And its going to take 4-6 weeks to get a replacement. And since the countdown has started... I can't really use the car for 4-6 weeks.

So, Land Rover supplied a Discovery 5

( the Disco 5 drives well, but the 180 TD4 engine in the super base spec is very underpowered, fine in a DS though. Air suspension was neat. I prefer the steering wheel)

...

Anyway, fast forward a week later, and my dealer calls me to tell me they received updated instructions from JLR. Reset the PCU 3 times and update the software with a new build they received over night... and apparently that's fixed it. Well... we'll see.

They mentioned the original PCU had gotten corrupted.

So, a SW issue? Exacerbated by a loose pin on the sensor? I dunno.

Wonder what my DEF usage is going to be now...

Further update, another couple of months another fill.

I haven't had the DEF malfunction since the update by LR, but a curious thing happened... while towing a 1.5 tonne trailer, my DEF range dropped from 3500KM to 1500KM, and into 250KM of range by the time I got back home from a trip... This was a 2000KM trip, where I apparently used an 'extra 1500KM of DEF range because of the extra engine load. Fuel usage went from a regular 7L to about 12L/100KM.

But as soon as I got back to regular driving, DEF range popped back above the 1500KM warning, and countdown ceased.

LR filled it up again later that week.

So, in my experience, DEF consumption is affected markedly by fuel consumption

Which perhaps makes sense.

Best to get it topped off before starting a big trip with a trailer/caravan!

--

edit: numbers may be slightly wrong, but the point is correct

 

[interbear]

My DS has now done almost 18k miles. The first DEF refill was required at approx 8k miles. The warning light is now on again with a range of approx 500 miles left. So the car is booked into the dealer for a refill next week under the service plan. I've no idea if this is about right or not in terms of miles between refill as it seems to be pretty varied going by this thread.

 

[Chippy]

Justice by what people have been reporting your situation doesn't sound unrealistic interbear. Whether it's right or not is, I suppose, a completely different matter.

 

[Badgerface]

Mine is still on factory install (or PDI, depending on your viewpoint), and despite 11,865 miles, is still showing 2088 miles to refill. Which I think is pretty good....particularly as the Oil Service countdown timer seems to quadruple that!

 

[sddawson]

Mine is still on factory install (or PDI, depending on your viewpoint), and despite 11,865 miles, is still showing 2088 miles to refill. Which I think is pretty good....particularly as the Oil Service countdown timer seems to quadruple that!

What do you mean about the oil service countdown?

 

[Oldsurfdude]

I've now done 15k miles and on my 3rd top up!
This time it was down to 700 miles left.
Went to the deal and 1.5 hours later advised they couldn't get the 'warning' to reset.
Another customer who was in at the same time had exactly the same problem.
Both vehicles are now having their adblu tanks replaced due to a fault! Good job I was not just starting a long journey, otherwise I would have hit zero, and been unable to start the car despite a full tank! :evil:

 

[VeryDiscoSport]

Mine is still on factory install (or PDI, depending on your viewpoint), and despite 11,865 miles, is still showing 2088 miles to refill. Which I think is pretty good....particularly as the Oil Service countdown timer seems to quadruple that!

What do you mean about the oil service countdown?

When the ignition is ON and the engine is OFF you can interrogate the IC to find out how many miles to go to the next service. It is an independent counter to the AdBlue tank mileage stimate and will be the lower of 21,000 miles or a mileage calculated by the car dependent on its oil condition. If you are concerned about the mileage that you see in the IC, I suggest a visit to the Service Interval thread starting at page 21 where you will find the famous file JLRP00100. Everything you need to know is in that document and the 1500 posts that follow.

 

[sddawson]

Thanks. I'll look that up. But I didn't understand the quadruple comment. Quadruple of what? Adblue and service countdowns are completely separate, so can't see how they're linked.

I have had trouble with my service countdown, with it showing service will be due after only about 20,000km instead of 34,000km. Dealer just put on a new update, and it's now showing 32,000. Will have to see if it starts plummeting again (it's been reset before). But I wasn't aware there was some condition based monitoring going on as well, and dealer didn't seem to think so either. The book just says a fixed 34,000, or 24 months.

 

[Dashnine]

Quadruple means the service due mileage drops at four times the rate of true miles the car has covered. Due to calculated oil dilution caused by too many active DPF regenerations injecting diesel into the engine. If you've had it before, your car was calling for an oil change then and now.