[BFGDSMan]

I am sure it made sense at the time, but it's a bit like an episode of the Apprentice when everybody but the team can see it is going wrong and at the end Lord Sugar asking why they buried the fueling cap in the bonnet, why you can overfill it, and could they not have designed something better before saying those immortal words "you're fired!!" :shock:

 

[Mamil]

Adblue would always have been in the plan for the Ignenium as it was the only way to meet Euro6.

Well, not necessarily. There are a range of other technologies available to car manufacturers to reduce NOX, including high pressure fuel injectors, advanced air/fuel management, exhaust gas recirculation, and NOX traps.

It was perfectly possible to meet the original Euro6 requirements around at the time the DS was being designed by using one or a combination of these other methods without using AdBlue (or Selective Catalytic Reduction to give it it's proper name). In fact, as it is one of the more expensive and inconvenient methods of NOX reduction there were plenty of Euro6 compliant cars that didn't have AdBlue, including some VW and BMW models.

However, this all changed in 2016 due to the Dieselgate scandal, and Euro6 was amended to include real world testing. Manufacturers had to rethink their emissions strategy as meeting Euro6 levels in real world conditions was much more difficult. So, some that originally hadn't used Adblue had to scramble to add it to cars that hadn't originally been designed for it, with the result of looking like a bolt-on afterthought - which of course it was!

I was just wondering if the DS is one of these, as the DS and the Ingenium were both designed well before Dieselgate and the resultant changes to the legislation that made AdBlue a necessity. I don't know of course, the DS may have been designed originally to have Adblue, but it didn't have it for the first year of its life, and it seems there was no provision in the design for an AdBlue tank or a rear mounted filler - so it makes you wonder doesn't it

 

[BFGDSMan]

The Ingenium DS has always had AdBlue ( all diesel cars since 01 SEP 15 have had to be Euro 6) but clearly the dose has been cranked up sometime during 2017, probably as you say to survive real world testing.

 

[green genie]

Thanks again to all for the time/ effort etc resulting (partly) from my post ,

Just to add that I had filled the DEF in exactly the same method as Chippy described, With a jug, poured carefully and stopping immediately
that I could see liquid within the filler neck, the car was facing very slightly up hill when I did this so that should not be a factor. I then drove at
least 250 miles onto the ferry to Ireland (4 hours) and a further 200 plus miles the other side, all without problem until the "engine light" came on
a few days later. etc.

The discussion re an air space in the DEF tank,! Could the rocking and rolling on the ferry have had an effect on the DEF tank and possibly
caused the "apparent" overfill. ?
Just one more question that L.R. needs to find an answer to.

So many questions, so few answers from L.R.

 

[sddawson]

A fascinating discussion! Thanks everyone.

While there's no specific warning in the manual about overfilling, it does say to only put in 2 bottles yourself, then take the car to the dealer to have it filled (which I'm not going to do at this rate of consumption). But I'm still baffled as to how you actually can overfill it if there's an air gap in the top of the tank proper. Plus, if the sensor's in the bottom of the tank, how can overfilling even "damage" it? Yes, it could throw a warning if it gets no solar bounce, but surely that would clear once the level went down. The sensor shouldn't have to be replaced. The instance here is maybe a case of the sensor just failing for no apparent reason.

After my dealer pushed in, I think, 4 or 5 and a half bottles, my DEF warning stayed on for a week. Is this also a sign of overfilling? Dealer just said, "oh yeh, we've had a few funny instances like that".

To top it all off (see what I did there?), I got a call from the dealer saying that they were mistaken in telling me my first fill was free, and that they're going to have to charge me. Don't know how much yet! Sigh....

 

[Bogrover]

Had a chat with my dealer today and learned a few things about Adblue. Adblue levels are monitored by a sonic sensor which determines the level of Adblue in the tank by reading the surface level from above. MY17 cars are prone to warnings if the tank is even a little overfilled which can result in an engine shut off - engine will not start as Adblue is too low (= cannot be measured by an oversensitive sensor) MY16 are not so sensitive.

The second issue is that poor quality Adblue warnings have been occurring due to a software fault. Nonetheless, when buying Adblue it is important that it complies with the relevant standard.

 

[Chippy]

Had a chat with my dealer today and learned a few things about Adblue. Adblue levels are monitored by a sonic sensor which determines the level of Adblue in the tank by reading the surface level from above. MY17 cars are prone to warnings if the tank is even a little overfilled which can result in an engine shut off - engine will not start as Adblue is too low (= cannot be measured by an oversensitive sensor) MY16 are not so sensitive.

The second issue is that poor quality Adblue warnings have been occurring due to a software fault. Nonetheless, when buying Adblue it is important that it complies with the relevant standard.

In that case LR must have changed something on the MY17 vehicles.

 

[green genie]

Just when you think things are pretty bad,, They get worse.
Does anyone from Land Rover actually read these posts?// I am told that they do so can we PLEASE have an official comment from L.R.

 

[Past master]

To go back to the original question, I had my MY16 topped up at 8800 miles. Now on 19800 and showing 4000 miles to DEF topup. It will be serviced before then. So only one topup between services so far. I'm hoping that the service doesn't include any adjustment to bring consumption in line with the MY17 models.

 

[twelve]

4200 miles in and a top-up booked for tomorrow (<1000miles left)

 

[simon]

To go back to the original question, I had my MY16 topped up at 8800 miles. Now on 19800 and showing 4000 miles to DEF topup. It will be serviced before then. So only one topup between services so far. I'm hoping that the service doesn't include any adjustment to bring consumption in line with the MY17 models.

If they apply all the software updates it will.

 

[twelve]

4200 miles in and a top-up booked for tomorrow (<1000miles left)

Topped up today and dealer advised it will probably need refilling every 7000 miles... :roll:

 

[Dashnine]

To go back to the original question, I had my MY16 topped up at 8800 miles. Now on 19800 and showing 4000 miles to DEF topup. It will be serviced before then. So only one topup between services so far. I'm hoping that the service doesn't include any adjustment to bring consumption in line with the MY17 models.

If they apply all the software updates it will.

Wouldn't have thought they'd change/update the Ablue settings, they're only bothered about the current cars consumption, not what's gone before.

 

[Past master]

The only update showing on TOPIx is N020, which I think relates to service intervals. I'll wait and see.

 

[D3GGY]

I'm having my second top up on Friday at 11,000 miles. It's a pain to have to go to the dealer. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a tap out front so you could do it yourself but it's a half hour plus job booking it in etc

 

[chris]

I'm having my second top up on Friday at 11,000 miles. It's a pain to have to go to the dealer. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a tap out front so you could do it yourself but it's a half hour plus job booking it in etc

Why not do it yourself, a tenner from eBay for 10 litres and 5 minutes to do it, simples!

 

[D3GGY]

I'm having my second top up on Friday at 11,000 miles. It's a pain to have to go to the dealer. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a tap out front so you could do it yourself but it's a half hour plus job booking it in etc

Why not do it yourself, a tenner from eBay for 10 litres and 5 minutes to do it, simples!

It's free as part of my service pack, still a pain

 

[chris]

I'm having my second top up on Friday at 11,000 miles. It's a pain to have to go to the dealer. Wouldn't be so bad if there were a tap out front so you could do it yourself but it's a half hour plus job booking it in etc

Why not do it yourself, a tenner from eBay for 10 litres and 5 minutes to do it, simples!

It's free as part of my service pack, still a pain

I guessed that. Even if I had a service plan I would still do it myself. 40 mins each way to my nearest dealer, plus hanging around while they do it V's £10 and 5 minutes if my time, no comparison.

 

[simon]

No issue visiting dealer to get mine done. I also get a valet, cup of good coffee and some good LR banter.

 

[D3GGY]

No issue visiting dealer to get mine done. I also get a valet, cup of good coffee and some good LR banter.

Never let a dealer wash my car, unless it's the prep team there is no guarantee it's not going to end up with swirls