Won't be a problem in snow depths of 2-4 inches, especially if tyres in decent condition.

 

Yes, they're virtually new (3,300 miles). Thanks very much.

 

I found them fine driving on back roads and moderate hills in that level of snow in UK a couple of years ago.

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Hi all, just jumping in on this post to get some feedback for these here in the UK, currently on the original continentals so far okay but no real bad weather as yet, seem to notice the Pirelli get a lot of mentions so looked over a few reviews on line and some reports were saying pretty poor grip in the wet when cornering etc, just looking for some general feedback from you guys as to what your views are, I am mostly motorway or main road driving but do have to travel in the highlands in winter and snow can vary so just trying to get a good brand in place when its time to change

 

I considered them good tires until recently, when I almost had an incident on wet roads. The car in front has braked suddenly and I did the same, and almost immediately the ABS kicked in. I realized I'm not going to stop in time to avoid crashing into the car in front so I had to let go of the brake and use the steering wheel and a lighter brake applied so I managed to stop the car in the right lane parallel with the car in front. There was no excessive speed, maybe 30 mph, and I had about 12-15 m to the other car, the only thing out of ordinary was a slight drizzle and a cold wind, about 10 degrees temperatures. DS is a heavy car, but still in these conditions it should have stopped normally. I don't trust my tires since then, and they only have 11000 M on them.

 

Wow !!thats similar to some of the reviews I have been reading with bad experiences in drizzly rain, I have bit to go on the continentals at present but looks like I will be giving the Pirelli a miss, so far the contis have been okay in some real bad rain etc.

 

How about Scorpion Verde All Season? Anyone tried them. Are they an improvement on the standard?

 

I found them fine driving on back roads and moderate hills in that level of snow in UK a couple of years ago.

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Apologies I was getting my car forums muddled up! I have these tyres currently as summers on my Q7. Find then fine most of year but I do switch to winter tyres Nokian WR SUV 3 which are obviously great in snow.

On my old DS I had the stock Goodyear Wrangler HP M+S rated tyres which is what I was referring to in snow. I.e. great. Judging by how my summer Pirelli's handle on grass and mud (slippy) I guess they are not great in snow either but never tried. I've never had a wet braking traction problem though, albeit the Q7 is much bigger tyre.

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I considered them good tires until recently, when I almost had an incident on wet roads. The car in front has braked suddenly and I did the same, and almost immediately the ABS kicked in. I realized I'm not going to stop in time to avoid crashing into the car in front so I had to let go of the brake and use the steering wheel and a lighter brake applied so I managed to stop the car in the right lane parallel with the car in front. There was no excessive speed, maybe 30 mph, and I had about 12-15 m to the other car, the only thing out of ordinary was a slight drizzle and a cold wind, about 10 degrees temperatures. DS is a heavy car, but still in these conditions it should have stopped normally. I don't trust my tires since then, and they only have 11000 M on them.

The idea of ABS is to let you keep control and steer while still braking heavily,

 

Scorpion Verde is a summer tyre, Scorpion Verde All season is just that. I have the 'all season', and on my previous FL2, while it won't win a race around corners on a dry road, there's no problem in the wet or moderate snow.

 

I considered them good tires until recently, when I almost had an incident on wet roads. The car in front has braked suddenly and I did the same, and almost immediately the ABS kicked in. I realized I'm not going to stop in time to avoid crashing into the car in front so I had to let go of the brake and use the steering wheel and a lighter brake applied so I managed to stop the car in the right lane parallel with the car in front. There was no excessive speed, maybe 30 mph, and I had about 12-15 m to the other car, the only thing out of ordinary was a slight drizzle and a cold wind, about 10 degrees temperatures. DS is a heavy car, but still in these conditions it should have stopped normally. I don't trust my tires since then, and they only have 11000 M on them.

The idea of ABS is to let you keep control and steer while still braking heavily,

My thoughts exactly Dashnine. I'm no expert but am not sure that the fact that the ABS activates necessarily implies absolute maximum braking effort has been applied.

 

Scorpion Verde is a summer tyre, Scorpion Verde All season is just that. I have the 'all season', and on my previous FL2, while it won't win a race around corners on a dry road, there's no problem in the wet or moderate snow.

I had them on my second DS and they performed extremely well even on snow covered passes in the Swiss Alps.

 

How about Scorpion Verde All Season? Anyone tried them. Are they an improvement on the standard?

I was speaking about Pirelli Scorpion Verde, they are rated M+S, but are actually "all season" tires.
I've actually tried them in knee deep snow, when the car was new, more like a trial for the all terrain snow program, and to my surprise I didn't get stuck. But two and half years later I had this bad surprise in wet conditions.
I do remember from a different car that Pirelli makes great tires, when they are new, but they tend to wear much faster than other brands, maybe that's what happened to my DS too.

 

Off roasting, snow driving:- its all about the tyres. The ones that look most rugged and unroad-like will serve best!

 

47MBC you mention 11000 mile on the tyre but out of interest what was the approximate tread depth? I ask for 2 reasons to get a rough guide on wear, although every driver will wear tyres out differently it will be a bench mark and to judge the performance of the tyre. Again I accept every driver drives differently but it will bring more substance to your post.
I have PSV's on my discovery so it will be a big help.

 

I am out of country at the moment for another month, but I'll let you know once I get back and get them measured. They don't look too worn, but it is also about the age and quality of the rubber in wet/slippery conditions, more than about the thread depth.

 

I have Scorpion Verde All Season (M&S) tyres on my DS, and we went skiing in Jan this year. I'd fitted brackets for hired snow chains, but the car didn't need them at all. The roads were covered in dry snow with some ice and the car coped perfectly, whereas as most 2 wheel drive cars were struggling to move. Snow chains were a waste of money. Saying that, I've bought snow socks this year just in case, but I intend keeping the car for another couple of years at least.

 

My Scorpion Verde All Season tyres had not quite reached the wear indicator after 30,000 miles

 

My Scorpion Verde All Season tyres had not quite reached the wear indicator after 30,000 miles

I'm just clocking up 46,000 miles on originals

 

My Scorpion Verde All Season tyres had not quite reached the wear indicator after 30,000 miles

I'm just clocking up 46,000 miles on originals

Do you have the same concerns over road holding in wet conditions?

 

I would love to know how people get anything over 15000 miles out a set of any tyres on this car. I got 15000 on the fronts with a pair of scorpion verde. The original continentals were done on the front by 12000. The rears last 30000.
Anyway, scorpion verde in the snow? My experience is that any M&S tyre with a decent tread will be fine on decent snow.
It's when you are on cold, wet roads or frosty/icy roads. I find the verde decent on cold, wet roads. Better than some I've had but not as good as something like a Michelin crossclimate. On frost/ice, damn scary. But I've not found a tyre that copes with that on a big heavy vehicle. Not even the cross climates.

 

46,000 on originals, wow, I'm very impressed. I have never had any concern about road holding in wet conditions. There is lots of variables with the road holding, ie , type of road surface, amount of of surface water, tread depth, tyre pressures and driving skill.

 

I changed mine at just before 3 years and 21000 mls. I planned to keep car for 5 years and felt that I ought to change the tyres just prior to 1st. MoT
Although the treads still had around 4mm, the general condition of tyres wasn't good and I was pleased I decided to change them at this time. I suppose some of the tyre damage would be down to my occasional off road use.

 

I changed the DS at about 53000 miles. Can't give exact mileage for the Pirellis, as I use winter tyres as well, but as a guide, at that mileage the Pirellis still had 4mm and the Wintrax 6-7mm. I think the Pirellis were Scorpion Verde 18". They were excellent on sheet ice when newish (before I bought the Wintrax) and never gave me any problems in the wet either (mind you, I drive like a granny).

 

I would love to know how people get anything over 15000 miles out a set of any tyres on this car. I got 15000 on the fronts with a pair of scorpion verde. The original continentals were done on the front by 12000. The rears last 30000.

I'm on 46,000 miles on the original tyres, and will probably change them at the next service in a couple of months. In fact the dealer congratulated me on the long life of my tyres and said the easiest way to kill a set of tyres is to run at too low a pressure. Tyre pressure is always a compromise between performance and long life versus comfort, and I tend to think car manufacturers veer too far towards comfort in their recommendations, so run all my cars at the high load pressures at all times even though this results in a firmer ride. I also rotate them front to back annually.