[PhilMabbots17]

Hi BFGDSMan
Just ordered my new DS as a tow car and will shortly be looking to fit a tow bar, so found your You Tube videos excellent. Thinking ahead I'm wondering if I need to swap out the oil at approx 10k miles how would this affect my warranty. Did you impact your warranty when you changed your engine oil yourself between the two year service period ?
Richy

As above, it's the owner's prerogative to change oil whenever he see's fit, but, to avoid any allegation by JLR of warranty invalidation, you should use only JLR parts and approved oils. Following N025, only JLR-approved garages will be able to reset the service indicator for anything other than full "A" or "B" services (See JLRP00100). If your DS detects an "average" or "normal" driving style, the estimated diesel dilution will rise at about 0.5% to 0.8% per 1,000 real-world miles so the car will present a "Service Required" message somewhere between 7,000 and 12,000 miles. To remove the possibility of yet more disputes over this, the oil dilution counter will need resetting somehow in order to remove the service message. Possibly a full reset would still work, maybe one of the dealers on the forum could fill in the blanks...

 

[Badgerface]

Copies of SDD/Pathfinder with offline/confirmed login details are available on various auction sites, as are genuine VCI cables, Panasonic Toughbooks et al as are bundles of all three if you look hard enough.

You could reset it yourself if you encounter an arsey dealer (of which there are plenty). I'm beginning to think that this will become a mandatory investment for anyone wishing to keep their vehicle long term.

 

[richy]

OK Thanks guys for the response, from what I can gather reading some of the posts on here a non dealer reset, changes both service and dilution counters, so if after 2 years the car went back to LR for its full service would they quibble regarding the service counter now identifying approx 11k miles to next service or would they ignore this, do the service and then reset the counters, or would they refuse to do the service ?. Sorry just trying to gauge how pedantic the dealers could be when changing the engine oil.

 

[PhilMabbots17]

From what I've read here it's a very hit and miss situation. Even main dealers are still doing the resets incorrectly (thus creating the situation you describe) and it appears that virtually no e-service records are being created. I suspect that if you pitched up with 10K left and insisted on paying for a full 21K or 42K service they would oblige. Why not give one of the independents a call? I found Team Valley really helpful after I realised I was going to need 3 or 4 extra oil changes every 2 years on a post 1 June 17 warranty.

 

[Mav71]

I found the video very informative so thanks.

Although the D240 like I have doesn't suffer with the oil dilution issues, I still don't believe in leaving the oil for 2 years or 21000 miles, once me having an oil change done when the car was a year old.

 

[Hughjarse]

Do these not work then? It states it resets oil indicator.
https://www.ultimatecarparts.co.uk/icarsoft-lr-v20-landrover-jaguar-diagnostic-tool-ecu-airbag-srs-service-abs-obd2-lr-2-v20?gclid=Cj0KCQiApvbhBRDXARIsALnNoK00tBxfaLQMQm8nYhLaWKfZh5uG9jgTI2Y0xPn_RYwALmDxfDz71_waAtWLEALw_wcB

 

[Cj987]

I found the video very informative so thanks.

Although the D240 like I have doesn't suffer with the oil dilution issues, I still don't believe in leaving the oil for 2 years or 21000 miles, once me having an oil change done when the car was a year old.

Apologies for the hijack, this is something I have been wondering about. Is it commonly agreed that the d240 doesn't suffer from the dilution issue? My d240 is suggesting oil service in 8k ish, putting it at around 16k total. Does that sound usual behaviour for the 240? I'm guessing the twin turbo setup raises temps enough for better passive regen? Interested in views on this and experience of other d240 owners.

 

[P50WKB]

Cj987,
This is a statistic of one 240D only but the Millers Analysis for my MY18 DS 240D after 9,500 miles on this oil charge indicates a dilution of 6%. "Critical fuel dilution identified. We would advise this oil is changed". My experience would suggest that, irrespective of the rated horsepower an Ingenium engine is an Ingenium engine !
Call me old fashioned, but I changed the oil after the first 1000 miles driven and again changed and flushed at 10,500 miles driven. I was curious to see the condition of the oil / dilution %. No "Service required" messages on the screen but I now have N289 outstanding showing in TOPix. Renewal of oil and filter logged as Arduous Interim Service on OSH. Driving style is 30 mile minimum (home to Aberdeen) but generally 100 - 200 miles (home to Dumfries). I mostly use Premium fuel, no ECO, no S/S and mostly Sport mode, mpg is circa 38 - 42 with 2 up and overnight bags, and average speed cameras notwithstanding, even on the M90..............

 

[Cj987]

Thanks, that's useful info. My days of clambering around underneath to get at a sump plug are over, I'm thinking I'll get a vacuum pump to aid an oil refresh inbetween indicated services.... seems the Castrol E is only available in 1 litre bottles, pain in the backside!

 

[Dashnine]

an Ingenium engine is an Ingenium engine !

Well, more like "a transversely installed diesel Ingenium engine is a transversely diesel Ingenium engine" in that the longitudinal installed Ingeniums of any power rating don't suffer oil dilution as their exhaust clobber is nearer the engine in the engine bay. And the petrols are OK too....

 

[Chris b]

Thanks, that's useful info. My days of clambering around underneath to get at a sump plug are over, I'm thinking I'll get a vacuum pump to aid an oil refresh inbetween indicated services.... seems the Castrol E is only available in 1 litre bottles, pain in the backside!

Are you aware of this JLR-compliant alternative? Available in 1 and 5L and approved against the technically challenging in-house technical requirements of the Jaguar Land Rover engine oil specification STJLR.03.5007
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-162055-shell-helix-ultra-professional-aj-l-0w-30-fully-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

 

[Unclemort54]

Has anyone purchased an oil filter cap removal tool.? If so what size is correct? Brit parts and famousfour.com and others say it's 65mm x 14 flutes. I've measured the cap across flats and it's 64mm x 14 flutes. Now it could be that 65mm will do the job but the situation seems confusing as others on this forum are also quoting 64mm AF.
I've tried using hand method but it's pretty tight!

 

[Unclemort54]

Answer to the above is: the size of the filter cap removal tool is determined by the diameter of the filter cap and not the distance across the flats. The correct size tool for the DS filter cap is 65mm x 14 flutes. Available from Amazon and elsewhere for around £8 - £10.
I have not removed the filter cap to date but the tool is a good fit. I'll be doing the job in the near future having now obtained the OEM filter, sump plug, and the correct oil. I've purchased enough consumables to do two oil changes which will work out around £85 per oil change.
I intend to do one intermediate change between main dealer services, which are covered buy the service plan.

 

[Unclemort54]

Just a quick note on my two posts above.
Both 64mm and 65mm filter cap removal tools are marketed for the DS. Different manufacturers measure them differently. They both fit OK. The 64mm is across the flats and the 65mm is the diameter across the corners.

 

[Unclemort54]

For information the engine oil drain plug (sump plug) torque is 25Nm (same as the filter cap). This can be found in section 303-00, Engine General and Ancillaries.pdf, page 70, of the manual which can be downloaded from the Technical Documents & Bulletins section.

 

[green genie]

Bought one of those filter removal tools when in a Walmart in Florida recently, ( Family was getting the groceries for the villa) It was packaged as for a Toyota but I knew from this forum that it would be correct, cost was just 4 Dollars 50 Cents , about a fiver. yet another way that we in G.B. are over charged.

 

[fishyhooky]

I've just had my Discovery in for some warranty work on the gearbox leaking oil, they rang me to say that the oil and filter needed changing at a cost of £328, does this sound right?

Parts & oil £108.52
Labour £165.00
Vat £54.70

 

[SarahStreet]

I've just had my Discovery in for some warranty work on the gearbox leaking oil, they rang me to say that the oil and filter needed changing at a cost of £328, does this sound right?

Parts & oil £108.52
Labour £165.00
Vat £54.70

My suggestion would be to find another dealer.

If your vehicle is under warranty as you state, then they are already aware that the campaign is still running, and even if it failed the criteria, an oil change at a dealer rate should be no more than £180. Of course, they will charge what they can get away with, so push for a campaign oil and filter change, or go elsewhere

 

[Q86ARR]

I've just had my Discovery in for some warranty work on the gearbox leaking oil, they rang me to say that the oil and filter needed changing at a cost of £328, does this sound right?

Parts & oil £108.52
Labour £165.00
Vat £54.70

On what grounds does it need a oil & filter change?

 

[Pauld]

Has anyone tried the millers xf longlife ow30 oil for their oil change