BB,

Always great to receive feedback, glad it has empowered you to dive in and have a go (and save yourself some money)! Although I have changed the oil on my car, it is a bit ridiculous to have to scrabble under a £47k+ car every 6 months and do, still it keeps my neighbours amused...

BFG

 

Get a merc and only change oil every 9 mth instead

 

Yes, by Mercedes as it won't need doing by me in between the official figures...

As has been commented in other places on the forum, if LR had told me it was an 12 months/12000 mile oil change I would accept the 9000 to 10000 mile interval I got as down to my driving style. When they say 24 months/21000 miles I expect that to be what I need to do, and indeed what I was looking forward to after swapping from my original 2.2d car (12 months/15000 miles BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THREAD.....

 

Touche

 

Get a merc and only change oil every 9 mth instead

What does this have to do with the original topic? Post reported to moderators.

 

Touche

I have reported the author of this post to the moderators for a violation of forum rules.

 

Bfds is complaining about changing oil every 6 months, I am pointing out his merc oil will only 9 mth intervals, not vastly different
No need for this thread to become a DS bashing event.

 

Bfds is complaining about changing oil every 6 months, I am pointing out his merc oil will only 9 mth intervals, not vastly different
No need for this thread to become a DS bashing event.

I am sorry, but I fear you have missed the point. I am only "complaining" about 6 months because that it is not what was promised. I have no issues with an oil change every 6 months - its all part of the territory of covering relatively high mileage. The point of the Merc is that 15000 miles WILL BE 15000 miles.

If I "bash the DS" it is based on the factual evidence of 3 cars and 3 and 1/2 years of cumulative ownership (covering MY 15, 16 and 17 production examples) that have seen a total of over 60000 miles of motoring and sadly included 4 breakdowns, 3 warranty claims, 3 extra oil changes and about 35 build quality faults that have needed to be rectified. It is not based on me making stuff up. If I could sing the DS's praises I would, but I can't. This forum (and indeed all forums for whatever subject) are about about discussing openly, objectively and honestly issues which contributors encounter on a daily basis so that the merits of the forum topic (in this case DS cars) can be discussed. Sadly I am not and will not be in the future the only non DS owner on this forum who have been forced to turn our backs on DS ownership due to a combination shockingly inferior ownership experience and dealer/manufacturere aftercare experience.

If your car is perfect then that is fantastic. I can only base my experience on the cars I have owned and run. Personally I would rather not bash the DS, it is a great package, with a high specification of standard equipment, good looks, extremely spacious and comfortable interior and is the very best towcar I have ever owned. None of this counts for anything if it has to keep going back to the garage for warranty and unscheduled service work.

Anyway before this thread ends up being moved/locked for straying away from the topic I shall draw stumps there - we shall just have to agree to disagree about the merits of DS ownership.

 

Touche

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No offence taken on my part

 

Not meaning to cause offence just wondered the major difference, is merc going to me on a service contract? otherwise youd be changing its oil on the drive too.

 

Cars not an a service plan as it's cheaper not to - we are lucky to have a service point just out of town (they don't retail but they are an official MB service point so all good from a guarantee perspective) from us that is 1/2 the price of the swanky MB chain in town.

Evidence so far from my wife's car is 2500 miles in 3 weeks (!!) and the service counter is on 13100 miles to service. Ad Blue is consistently going down at 1 litre per 500 miles.

 

Touche

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Well said BFGDSMAN after all that's the important thing.

 

Hi BFGDSMan

Just ordered my new DS as a tow car and will shortly be looking to fit a tow bar, so found your You Tube videos excellent.

Thinking ahead I'm wondering if I need to swap out the oil at approx 10k miles how would this affect my warranty. Did you impact your warranty when you changed your engine oil yourself between the two year service period ?

Richy

 

Hi Richy
You can change the oil/ filter when ever it suits you (and gives you reassurance), there is no compulsion to tell them, after all they (L.R.) only give info to you as and when it suits them, which is usually when they are cornered.
There are increasing numbers of non L.R. business"s available now which can do it for you if that is your choice rather than personally.

 

Hi BFGDSMan
Just ordered my new DS as a tow car and will shortly be looking to fit a tow bar, so found your You Tube videos excellent. Thinking ahead I'm wondering if I need to swap out the oil at approx 10k miles how would this affect my warranty. Did you impact your warranty when you changed your engine oil yourself between the two year service period ?
Richy

As above, it's the owner's prerogative to change oil whenever he see's fit, but, to avoid any allegation by JLR of warranty invalidation, you should use only JLR parts and approved oils. Following N025, only JLR-approved garages will be able to reset the service indicator for anything other than full "A" or "B" services (See JLRP00100). If your DS detects an "average" or "normal" driving style, the estimated diesel dilution will rise at about 0.5% to 0.8% per 1,000 real-world miles so the car will present a "Service Required" message somewhere between 7,000 and 12,000 miles. To remove the possibility of yet more disputes over this, the oil dilution counter will need resetting somehow in order to remove the service message. Possibly a full reset would still work, maybe one of the dealers on the forum could fill in the blanks...

 

Copies of SDD/Pathfinder with offline/confirmed login details are available on various auction sites, as are genuine VCI cables, Panasonic Toughbooks et al as are bundles of all three if you look hard enough.

You could reset it yourself if you encounter an arsey dealer (of which there are plenty). I'm beginning to think that this will become a mandatory investment for anyone wishing to keep their vehicle long term.

 

OK Thanks guys for the response, from what I can gather reading some of the posts on here a non dealer reset, changes both service and dilution counters, so if after 2 years the car went back to LR for its full service would they quibble regarding the service counter now identifying approx 11k miles to next service or would they ignore this, do the service and then reset the counters, or would they refuse to do the service ?. Sorry just trying to gauge how pedantic the dealers could be when changing the engine oil.

 

From what I've read here it's a very hit and miss situation. Even main dealers are still doing the resets incorrectly (thus creating the situation you describe) and it appears that virtually no e-service records are being created. I suspect that if you pitched up with 10K left and insisted on paying for a full 21K or 42K service they would oblige. Why not give one of the independents a call? I found Team Valley really helpful after I realised I was going to need 3 or 4 extra oil changes every 2 years on a post 1 June 17 warranty.

 

I found the video very informative so thanks.

Although the D240 like I have doesn't suffer with the oil dilution issues, I still don't believe in leaving the oil for 2 years or 21000 miles, once me having an oil change done when the car was a year old.

 

Do these not work then? It states it resets oil indicator.
https://www.ultimatecarparts.co.uk/icarsoft-lr-v20-landrover-jaguar-diagnostic-tool-ecu-airbag-srs-service-abs-obd2-lr-2-v20?gclid=Cj0KCQiApvbhBRDXARIsALnNoK00tBxfaLQMQm8nYhLaWKfZh5uG9jgTI2Y0xPn_RYwALmDxfDz71_waAtWLEALw_wcB

 

I found the video very informative so thanks.

Although the D240 like I have doesn't suffer with the oil dilution issues, I still don't believe in leaving the oil for 2 years or 21000 miles, once me having an oil change done when the car was a year old.

Apologies for the hijack, this is something I have been wondering about. Is it commonly agreed that the d240 doesn't suffer from the dilution issue? My d240 is suggesting oil service in 8k ish, putting it at around 16k total. Does that sound usual behaviour for the 240? I'm guessing the twin turbo setup raises temps enough for better passive regen? Interested in views on this and experience of other d240 owners.

 

Cj987,
This is a statistic of one 240D only but the Millers Analysis for my MY18 DS 240D after 9,500 miles on this oil charge indicates a dilution of 6%. "Critical fuel dilution identified. We would advise this oil is changed". My experience would suggest that, irrespective of the rated horsepower an Ingenium engine is an Ingenium engine !
Call me old fashioned, but I changed the oil after the first 1000 miles driven and again changed and flushed at 10,500 miles driven. I was curious to see the condition of the oil / dilution %. No "Service required" messages on the screen but I now have N289 outstanding showing in TOPix. Renewal of oil and filter logged as Arduous Interim Service on OSH. Driving style is 30 mile minimum (home to Aberdeen) but generally 100 - 200 miles (home to Dumfries). I mostly use Premium fuel, no ECO, no S/S and mostly Sport mode, mpg is circa 38 - 42 with 2 up and overnight bags, and average speed cameras notwithstanding, even on the M90..............

 

Thanks, that's useful info. My days of clambering around underneath to get at a sump plug are over, I'm thinking I'll get a vacuum pump to aid an oil refresh inbetween indicated services.... seems the Castrol E is only available in 1 litre bottles, pain in the backside!

 

an Ingenium engine is an Ingenium engine !

Well, more like "a transversely installed diesel Ingenium engine is a transversely diesel Ingenium engine" in that the longitudinal installed Ingeniums of any power rating don't suffer oil dilution as their exhaust clobber is nearer the engine in the engine bay. And the petrols are OK too....

 

Thanks, that's useful info. My days of clambering around underneath to get at a sump plug are over, I'm thinking I'll get a vacuum pump to aid an oil refresh inbetween indicated services.... seems the Castrol E is only available in 1 litre bottles, pain in the backside!

Are you aware of this JLR-compliant alternative? Available in 1 and 5L and approved against the technically challenging in-house technical requirements of the Jaguar Land Rover engine oil specification STJLR.03.5007
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-162055-shell-helix-ultra-professional-aj-l-0w-30-fully-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx