SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

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At what mileage was the first service performed (or will be required) on your 2.0 L DIESEL DS ?

A - First service was performed or will be required at 0 to 4199 miles (0 to 6756 km)
12
7%
B - First service was performed or will be required 4200 to 6299 miles (6757 to 10137 km)
23
13%
C - First service was performed or will be required 6300 to 8399 miles (10138 to 13516 km)
44
25%
D - First service was performed or will be required 8400 to 10499 miles (13517 to 16896 km)
30
17%
E - First service was performed or will be required 10500 to 12599 miles (16897 to 20276 km)
17
10%
F - First service was performed or will be required 12600 to 14699 miles (20277 to 23655 km)
9
5%
G - First service was performed or will be required 14700 to 16799 miles (22656 to 27037 km)
10
6%
H - First service was performed or will be required 16800 to 18899 miles (27038 to 30415 km)
7
4%
J - First service was performed or will be required 18900 to 20999 miles (30416 to 33794 km)
12
7%
K - First service was performed >= 21000 miles - estimated diesel dilution % was not known
7
4%
L - First service was performed >= 21000 miles - estimated diesel dilution % < 6.1%
0
No votes
M - First service was performed >= 21000 miles - estimated diesel dilution % >= 6.1%
1
1%
N - First service was performed after 24 months
3
2%
 
Total votes: 175

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SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:19 am

SERVICE INTERVAL POST - INSTRUCTIONS
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:?: If you have already had the first service use the mileage at which the service message appeared, NOT the mileage the service was performed at. Go to the top of the thread and locate your answer from A) to J) - these are A) 0 to 20% of the claimed service interval and then B) to J) 10% increments all the way up to 21000 miles. If, like me, you used oil sampling to determine the mileage when the service was required, use the mileage at the time the sample was taken.

:?: If you have NOT had the first service and your total mileage is 5000 or more please add your current mileage to the Oil Service mileage in Next Service which you'll find in Vehicle Information when the Ignition is ON but the engine is OFF. Now go to the top of the thread and vote for an answer from A) to J).

:?: If you have NOT had the first service and your total mileage is less than 5000 please read the Oil Service mileage in Next Service which you'll find in Vehicle Information when the Ignition is ON but the engine is OFF. Now correct this Oil Service mileage by working out how many miles you have already "lost" and adjust the estimated mileage to predict what the situation is going to be when you have actually completed 5000 miles. For example:

Say I have done 3,000 miles and the Oil Service indication shows 15000 then, without a correction, 15,000 + 3,000 = 18,000, so I would vote "H - First service was performed or will be required 16800 to 18899 miles (27038 to 30415 km)". But this would be misleading because the car will not make it to 18,000 miles before the service is required due to the fact that the Oil Service mileage is reducing faster than the miles are being driven. An adjustment is necessary. Make the adjustment as follows:

Miles Driven = 3000
Service Miles Lost = 6000
Ratio of Service Miles Lost / Miles Driven = 6000 / 3000 = 2.0
Forecast Miles Lost for next 2000 Miles Driven (to get to 5000) = 2000 x 2.0 = 4000
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Mileage to Vote = 5000 + (15000 - 4000) = 16000
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Now go to the top of the thread and with the adjusted Oil Service mileage vote for an answer from A) to J).


:?: If you had the first service at or above 21,000 miles or after 2 years go to the top of the thread and choose an answer from K to N.
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Re: How Many Miles to FIrst Service?

Post by OT76 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:13 am

VDS sorry if this is the incorrect place to post this, but I took photo of my car on day 1 when it had done 35 miles and the oil service was due in 19,850 miles. I’ve taken another photo yesterday (431 miles) and the oil service is still due in 19,850 miles. So, it hasn’t ever started at 21,000. The ad blue hasn’t changed either (8326 miles)

So how do you want me to do the calculation?
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Re: How Many Miles to FIrst Service?

Post by Woolmeister » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:32 am

How do I change my vote now you've updated the instructions?


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Re: How Many Miles to FIrst Service?

Post by Barnsh » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:41 am

Woolmeister wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:32 am
How do I change my vote now you've updated the instructions?


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Re: How Many Miles to FIrst Service?

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:44 am

OT76 wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:13 am
VDS sorry if this is the incorrect place to post this, but I took photo of my car on day 1 when it had done 35 miles and the oil service was due in 19,850 miles. I’ve taken another photo yesterday (431 miles) and the oil service is still due in 19,850 miles. So, it hasn’t ever started at 21,000. The ad blue hasn’t changed either (8326 miles)

So how do you want me to do the calculation?
I think use the same formula. If you kept running the same calculation every day, the result would initially gradually increase until the 19850 finally starts ticking down . From that point it will give you your best estimate and be reasonably accurate until it reaches zero. For guys with 5000+ miles the car's straight calculation is enough for the purposes of the poll so no need to do the adjustment. Not perfect science, but neither is the DS's own logic.


Miles Driven = 431
Service Miles Lost = 1150
Ratio of Service Miles Lost / Miles Driven = 1150 / 430 = 2.67
Forecast Miles Lost for next 3850 Miles Driven (to get to 5000) = 3850 x 2.67 = 10279
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Mileage to Vote = 431 + (19850 - 10279) = 10002
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Now go to the top of the thread and with the adjusted Oil Service mileage vote for an answer from A) to J).
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NB ADDENDUM TO UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:43 am

:?: If you have already had the first service use the mileage at which the service message appeared, NOT the mileage the service was performed at. Go to the top of the thread and locate your answer from A) to J) - these are A) 0 to 20% of the claimed service interval and then B) to J) 10% increments all the way up to 21000 miles. If, like me, you used oil sampling to determine the mileage when the service was required, use the mileage at the time the sample was taken.
Just spotted another couple of anomalies which need to be included to keep the data as accurate as possible.

:?: If you had the message but the dealer failed to do the oil change at that time and said it was due to a software error (or similar) then use the mileage when you first had the service message. Ignore any later readings in the "Oil Service" display when the service was finally performed, e.g. lewisadam.

:?: If the service was performed at 2 years or close to 21000 miles and the updates (Q627, N010 & N020) weren't installed (i.e. dilution was not being monitored), please don't vote. Ditto if you don't know whether the updates were installed or not or have no idea what this means.

Sorry for all the exceptions that I didn't foresee. :oops:
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Re: SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by Barnsh » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:47 pm

So 77% of cars require an oil change before 12599 miles.
That's quite shocking to be honest.
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Re: SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:19 pm

Barnsh wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:47 pm
So 77% of cars require an oil change before 12599 miles.
That's quite shocking to be honest.

So, don't let anyone tell you this is about "driving style".

Are they seriously saying 8/10 drivers are using the wrong driving style? No way.

What the poll is saying is that 8 out of 10 owners bought the Wrong Frickin' Car!
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Re: SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by simon » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:57 pm

It’s only 33 votes. Hardly a big sample of DS ownership to be fair.
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Re: SERVICE POLL - UPDATED INSTRUCTIONS

Post by Barnsh » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:05 am

I fully agree it's not driving style JLR have admitted their oversight in hardware and architecture design, so I don't think it says we bought the wrong car, I think it says quite clearly the car simply does not do what it said on the (tin) sales information provided to us.
It shows a complete lack of testing in real world situations.

That also comes under trading standards as false representation of goods.
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