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Re: Service interval

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:11 pm

Barnsh wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:46 pm
It’s an interesting topic for sure , it’s surprising when you start checking VINs on topix at random that very few have been updated
My understanding was that campaigns N010 and N020 (pre-dating N118) were designed to effect the same update to the service indicator, the only difference being that the "at risk" customers were supposed to be pro-actively notified sooner that they might need an oil change to prevent engine failure. How did they decide which was which? JLRP00100 referred to a population of cars that they had "identified" as being at risk, so it's to be hoped for JLR's sake that they didn't just sit on this information and hope for the best...

...particularly considering that the car involved in the incident below was just under 2 years old when the engine failed at 9,000 miles with, according to the dealer that inspected it, a high oil level with diesel dilution present. I am pretty sure the owner hadn't been contacted but if he is still following the forum perhaps he would like to confirm that this was the case.

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Re: Service interval

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:07 am

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Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:15 pm
The 163 HP was VERY dirty NOx-wise according to EQUA Index https://equaindex.com/equa-air-quality-index/ I seem to remember they found that it was EU3, nowhere near the EU6b claimed. Close-coupled DPF-DEF-SCR used OK on F-Pace, Velar, D5 if I'm not mistaken?
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Land Rover Discovery Sport Diesel 2018 2.0 237 4WD 4 Automatic Euro 6 B
Land Rover Discovery Diesel 2017 2.0 237 4WD 4 Automatic Euro 6 E
Jaguar E-PACE Diesel 2018 2.0 237 4WD 4 Automatic Euro 6 A+
Jaguar XF Diesel 2018 2.0 237 4WD 4 Automatic Euro 6 A

Jaguar XF Diesel 2016 2.0 178 RWD 2 Automatic Euro 6 E
Jaguar XE Diesel 2016 2.0 178 RWD 2 Automatic Euro 6 C
Jaguar XE Diesel 2016 2.0 161 RWD 2 Manual Euro 6 E
Jaguar F-PACE Diesel 2017 2.0 178 4WD 4 Automatic Euro 6 E


So E-Pace (SCRF) and XF (SCR) both 237HP now meeting their EU6b NOx targets, but DS (237HP) (SCRF) not there yet? Don't see how that works.
Clearly there is nothing wrong with the older DOC-DPF-DEF-SCR design for meeting EU6b for diesels (XF).
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Re: Service interval

Post by Ian_S » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:28 am

I wonder if the results are related to weight and how hard the engine has to work.

I would imagine the green models are the lightest and with the more powerful engine it's worked less.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Barnsh » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:56 am

The only correlation I see is that newer models are more compliant , suggestion a change.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Ian_S » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 am

A 'B' for the Discovery Sport was actually a pass for the 2021 RDE test, as at the point they would have tested, the 'conformity' factor of 1.5 was expected to be in place...

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ... -road-test

But, that's being challenged. I'm not sure many people are going to like being told their Euro6 diesels aren't actually ok and that they need newer (still Euro6 just to confuse people) cars to be fully compliant should the conformity factor be declared illegal. I guess the next question will be who will sue a car company first to force them to make good on Euro 6 so that buyers can go into low emissions zones as expected at purchase time?

All sounds messy to me...
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Re: Service interval

Post by VeryDiscoSport » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:03 pm

Any light diesel that was certified as EU6b (<80mg/km) and subsequently found by testing to emit more than 180mg/km has got to be a candidate "cheater". Above 250 mg/km? That's a cast iron certainty, surely...

...unless the original certification tests were TOTALLY useless.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Ian_S » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 pm

VeryDiscoSport wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:03 pm
Any light diesel that was certified as EU6b (<80mg/km) and subsequently found by testing to emit more than 180mg/km has got to be a candidate "cheater". Above 250 mg/km? That's a cast iron certainty, surely...

...unless the original certification tests were TOTALLY useless.
168mg/km is the 2018 failure threshold, 144 for 2019, and 120 for 2020. However, if the above ruling is upheld, it's suddenly 80, full stop. Which will be interesting as you get the impression that a lot of manufacturers are struggling to meet tests and get certification. VW group seem to have really messed up with Audi taking the brunt of the sales hit. Maybe there is some karma in the world.

If they suddenly have to hit 80 without the gradual decline we could see another period of no cars to sell...
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Re: Service interval

Post by popsky » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:41 am

Just checked Topix and I’ve got this message, any info from the forum members, tried doing a search but nothing relating to N289
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Re: Service interval

Post by Woolmeister » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:45 am

You need to book it in at the dealers and get the software update applied to your vehicle.

I understand it separates the oil service from the regular date/time/distance -based service interval.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Past master » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:13 pm

So this is for real? I thought April Fool had come early. "Service required...earlier than expected"? On a DS? Surely some mistake...
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