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Re: Service interval

Post by Barnsh » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:18 pm

back of beyond wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:07 pm
Id say the service indicated range doesn't want over monitoring.let it do its own thing. Checking rarely .
Totally agree. One weeks driving might knock it down and the next increase it , you can on,y really check it I frequently .
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Re: Service interval

Post by Woolmeister » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:32 pm

green genie wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:57 pm

It IS possible to solve the problem by ENGINEERING rather than altering the DESIGN. Better if they worked together though of course.

I couldn't agree more with this statement, GG. 8-)

I'm a product designer (tech industry) and I work with the engineers who bring my designs to life all the time. Design is a collaborative discipline and I would never dream of designing something in isolation from the engineers who will be building it.

There is no such thing as a superhero designer; They simply do not exist. Jony Ive comes close, but I can absolutely guarantee that he collaborates closely with the engineers who create the products that his team designs. You watch any Apple video on YouTube and you will see how closely they collaborate with engineering to solve design problems.

McGovern might think he is but I think there is sufficient evidence on this forum alone to suggest he isn't. He can stuff his man beads and cravat where the sun doesn't shine. Land Rover's biggest problem is that they do not listen to their existing loyal customer base.


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Re: Service interval

Post by Chippy » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:41 pm

back of beyond wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:07 pm
Id say the service indicated range doesn't want over monitoring.let it do its own thing. Checking rarely .
Absolutely. It’s rather like one being on a diet. The worst thing you can do is to get on the scales every day. It’d drive you to despair and despondency.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Magnet Le Couchon' » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:43 am

I think Land Rover is going to have the last laugh after all.

I put my car in for its first warranty oil change under JLRP00100. Whilst the oil and filter were changed, they also performed a software update on the service warning system.

The effect of this update is the algorithm that was monitoring driving style, journey distances and DPF regions has been modified so it will not count down as fast as previous.

The way I am reading this is that the oil dilution problem and excessive engine wear issue is still there, its now being hidden by what is effectively a software hack

I will be doing my own oil changes every 5000km anyhow, but the software update is no fix and is in fact a pretty nasty way to treat JLR consumers.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Chippy » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:20 am

Hundred percent correct Magnet Le Couchon, they’re in denial and will never admit the problem. A fix will only come with a new model unless someone can work a miracle and we all know how unlikely that is.

For me it’s no reason to lose sleep and I can live with it.
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Re: Service interval

Post by Dashnine » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:24 am

Magnet Le Couchon' wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:43 am
The effect of this update is the algorithm that was monitoring driving style, journey distances and DPF regions has been modified so it will not count down as fast as previous.
Evidence?
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Re: Service interval

Post by back of beyond » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:14 am

yes this whole thread is pointless without evidence, there has been very little of it so far, making wild accusations does nobody any good
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Re: Service interval

Post by UFO 555 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:44 am

I know this has been asked before, but I don't want to start reading this thread from the beginning again; how much does a LR oil & filter change cost. I'll write it down this time :oops:
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Re: Service interval

Post by Badgerface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:01 am

Circa £200 depending on your dealer
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Re: Service interval

Post by Magnet Le Couchon' » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:08 am

Back of beyond - I am not sure how much more evidence you need. I see you are a relatively new contributor to these forums. No doubt JLR are desperate to try and repair some of the damage the now shitful reputation the Diesel Disco Sport has......

Regardless of anything else, look at the oil analysis page for your evidence. If you cant work that out then god help you.

In my own case at 5000km the oil was outside every parameter (TBN, FE, Silicone and most importantly at 3% oil dilution). This analysis was performed by a professional laboratory here in Australia that specialises in oil analysis for ultra heavy vehicles in the mining industry. They are reputable and credible.

Lets extrapolate that out to 32,000km - the published service interval shall we ? Even being conservative we would be well over the 6% diesel dilution maximum JLR are working off and well and truely over the 3% maximum that reputable industry oil engineers consider acceptable

With respect to the software update modifying the monitoring algorithm the evidence is twofold:

1. The service advisor at my dealer told me that there was a software update which does exactly as I have described. Said software update is annotated on my service receipt.

2. After 1500km of driving post service the KM to next service on the relevant display menu is still indicating "32,000km" This is a dramatic change from last week where (with the same driving patterns) the afore named service interval message was counting down regularly.

For information my trips consist mostly of short city drives between 5-15km.
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