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Just got the renewal for the LR extended warranty for my Sport........

MY17 model, 6 years old with 33,000 miles. No claims made.

£949 per annum (£94.90 per month 10 payments). Up from £720 per annum (£72 per month 10 payments)

Wowsers ! Is that inflation or a rip-off? Can you haggle the price?

Are there alternatives offering the same?
 

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I’ve been paying 88.20 per month - renewal will be in July - will wait and see. I’ve tried to call and get a discount and you get nothing off
 
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The price is none negotiable. I renewed in April and I'm now paying £93.00 a month for ten months for
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Just got the renewal for the LR extended warranty for my Sport........

MY17 model, 6 years old with 33,000 miles. No claims made.

£949 per annum (£94.90 per month 10 payments). Up from £720 per annum (£72 per month 10 payments)

Wowsers ! Is that inflation or a rip-off? Can you haggle the price?

Are there alternatives offering the same?
I just renewed mine Full Warranty with LR assist £930 up from £832 last year . MY18 with 17,200 miles , are you sure your not comparing the 'Select' Warranty to the full coverage one ? If not it means yours has gone up by nearly 32% compared to 12% (which is still a sting !) for me, so wondering is it age of car or mileage or both which trigger such a big jump, if age then next year I'm going to be even more depressed :censored:

Like yourself looked all over but keep coming up with worries about will I run into problems with any future claims as LR hourly labour rate is frightening. Also I've already had my whole engine replaced after it went into LR whilst still under 3-year warranty due to noisy balance shaft which they subsequently said wasn't able to fix / remove due to it being seized necessitating whole engine replacement so am forever scared / scarred by experience of what that repair could potentially have cost me if coming out of my own pocket :eek:

BTW I've literally just come off phone with LR assist to come out and look at my passenger seatbelt not working which may ( they are coming later) require visit to dealer to fix if they can't sort out.

Also I had to ring local LR dealer service dept because service due indication is coming up in the OHS system even thou in car info says next service due for another 12k miles and I only had a full service ( Winter check with oil, change, filter , pollen etc etc) carried out in Nov last year at 15486 miles so they are looking into that but may again require a visit to their garage!
 
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I just renewed mine Full Warranty with LR assist £930 up from £832 last year . MY18 with 17,200 miles , are you sure your not comparing the 'Select' Warranty to the full coverage one ? If not it means yours has gone up by nearly 32% compared to 12% (which is still a sting !) for me, so wondering is it age of car or mileage or both which trigger such a big jump, if age then next year I'm going to be even more depressed :censored:

Like yourself looked all over but keep coming up with worries about will I run into problems with any future claims as LR hourly labour rate is frightening. Also I've already had my whole engine replaced after it went into LR whilst still under 3-year warranty due to noisy balance shaft which they subsequently said wasn't able to fix / remove due to it being seized necessitating whole engine replacement so am forever scared / scarred by experience of what that repair could potentially have cost me if coming out of my own pocket :eek:

BTW I've literally just come off phone with LR assist to come out and look at my passenger seatbelt not working which may ( they are coming later) require visit to dealer to fix if they can't sort out.

Also I had to ring local LR dealer service dept because service due indication is coming up in the OHS system even thou in car info says next service due for another 12k miles and I only had a full service ( Winter check with oil, change, filter , pollen etc etc) carried out in Nov last year at 15486 miles so they are looking into that but may again require a visit to their garage!

Definitely the full fat warranty, not the select, although I have all singing all dancing recovery with AA through my bank so that brings it down a touch (£15 per month).

I think I'll just have to bite the bullet and renew, I intend keeping it for a couple of years yet.
Touch wood, I haven't had to use it yet and as you say, it's an expensive car to fix when things do go wrong.

Thanks for your responses guys.
 

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@chrisjheaton That jump in price is due to the age of the vehicle rather than inflation.
My Evoque did the same at that age and since then only increased very slightly on renewal.
 
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These Landrover warranties are a complete and utter waste of time. My car has been scrapped because they do not honour the warranty and try and get out of it - even to the point of binning me out of the Enterprise hire car at 3.30pm whilst I was out on the road once they made the decision to reject my claim - causing me to have to negotiate with Enterprise hire car company to return the car following day. Scrapped engine due to the dreaded oil dilution issue at 88k miles. Resulting in car sent to breakers.
 
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These Landrover warranties are a complete and utter waste of time. My car has been scrapped because they do not honour the warranty and try and get out of it - even to the point of binning me out of the Enterprise hire car at 3.30pm whilst I was out on the road once they made the decision to reject my claim - causing me to have to negotiate with Enterprise hire car company to return the car following day. Scrapped engine due to the dreaded oil dilution issue at 88k miles. Resulting in car sent to breakers.
There will be those like yourself and those for whom the extended warranty has been of help. End of the day your not forced to buy it.
 
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A quote of nearly £1k sounds steep for a Discovery Sport. I’d be tempted to try some of the other providers (but check coverage).

By way of comparison, we have a 57 plate VW Eos as a “summer car” and VW still provide a warranty on that for £330 a year (I think they are idiots as the warranty includes the roof - but there we go!)
 

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How many of us have (or would have) spent £1000 in any year on repairs?
Then, how many of us, faced with a £1000 repair from a dealer wouldn't bob it down to a local specialist of trusted mechanic and have it fixed for half the price?
My view of warranties is this. It's a bet with an insurance company. On the one side, there's us, driven by fear and ignorance and on the other, a team of analysts with all the data and info on every repair on every Disco Sport. Result? You lose.
Ok, there are rare occasions where you win, but that's the outlier. Like a casino - they win. Every time.
I turned down the extended warranty on mine. I'll deal with anything that comes up myself. I may lose out one year I guess but over 3-5 years? Not a chance. I've been running Landrovers for 15 years now (kept the last one for 11 years) , and the worst I ever had was a £700 repair.

I turned down the warranty on my Jag too. Had that 7 1/2 years now. To date, a warranty 'may' have saved me £150 in repairs. Everything else I've ever spent on it was clear wear and tear. Compared to £7,000 in warranty costs I'd have paid out, doesn't make any sense to me.
If you're really concerned only for the potential huge bill (new engine etc - though you can get a recon one of those for £3K if the worst happened), then there are dozens of insurers offering policies for a fraction of what LR charge.
 

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I read once that extended warranties have the biggest profit margin in the auto industry and a bonus for salespeople.

Spending a 1000 GBP a year for coverage and an other 1000 GBP (or more) in maintenance to keep the warranty valid does seem like an overkill. Plus the cost of normal wear and tear items not covered.


I spend less than 125 GBP a year for maintenance and have had the car in for just one factory service ( first year was free) and had a warranty repair done for free after 3 years with no proof of service receipts. Car went into service December of 2015. Ironically I probably spend more on service than any of my neighbors. Different mind set in North America where cars are usually in service for over 15 years and at least 200,000 miles. I believe the average car in the USA is 12 years old, not sure about Canada as we have very extreme conditions in some provinces.

The only car that would have used an extended warranty was my old SAAB, but no insurance company was stupid enough to sell a policy for it.:eek:

Oh still have the original battery and if I forget to turn it off the start/stop functions every time.
 
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It will be interesting as to what price LR will charge for extended warranties for PHEV’s as well as the t&c’s they apply to these models? In the short term can’t see many indie’s wanting the hassle & expense that’s involved with high voltage repairs hence we’re at the mercy of LR dealerships unless you’ve got an extended warranty.
The way forward is for LR to offer similar to the Toyota/Lexus scheme, they give an extra years cover year on year up to 10 years providing you have it serviced in house annually, although it would probably bankrupt JLR in the process !
 
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It will be interesting as to what price LR will charge for extended warranties for PHEV’s as well as the t&c’s they apply to these models? In the short term can’t see many indie’s wanting the hassle & expense that’s involved with high voltage repairs hence we’re at the mercy of LR dealerships unless you’ve got an extended warranty.
Batteries are the biggest nightmare for the used market, given they seem to have a lifespan of 8-10 years, cost thousands to replace and (hence) you can't get any form of warranty on them. Manufacturers need to have a sensible exchange / refurb policy - but knowing manufacturers they'd still charge a fortune. Basically, any EV or hybrid over 6 years old is effectively worthless until a solution is found. My buy a 1 year old car and keep for 10 years method of ownership won't work with an EV. Not sure what I'll do. I suspect there'll be a huge industry springing up, refurbing battery modules (most failures are down to a few cells out of hundreds so repair is a very practical solution). However, what we urgently need is legislation that forces manufacturers to make the battery units easily maintainable and parts readily available. There are already people in the states doing Teslas but it's still a cottage industry. I fully expect to be able to get refurb battery packs from outside the dealer network in the next few years.

The way forward is for LR to offer similar to the Toyota/Lexus scheme, they give an extra years cover year on year up to 10 years providing you have it serviced in house annually, although it would probably bankrupt JLR in the process !
It'd certainly have me coming back to the dealer every year - but as you say, the cost would be too high (unless they got sensible with what they actually charge internally for parts).
 
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Kia covers their EV batteries for 7 years/100K , and guarantees 70% capacity, so warranties are available.

I think the bigger issue is that in 5 years time, a car getting 250M range will be a very poor cousin of next gen that will be getting 500-600M range, but that's progress.
 
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Batteries are the biggest nightmare for the used market, given they seem to have a lifespan of 8-10 years, cost thousands to replace and (hence) you can't get any form of warranty on them. Manufacturers need to have a sensible exchange / refurb policy - but knowing manufacturers they'd still charge a fortune. Basically, any EV or hybrid over 6 years old is effectively worthless until a solution is found. My buy a 1 year old car and keep for 10 years method of ownership won't work with an EV. Not sure what I'll do. I suspect there'll be a huge industry springing up, refurbing battery modules (most failures are down to a few cells out of hundreds so repair is a very practical solution). However, what we urgently need is legislation that forces manufacturers to make the battery units easily maintainable and parts readily available. There are already people in the states doing Teslas but it's still a cottage industry. I fully expect to be able to get refurb battery packs from outside the dealer network in the next few years.


It'd certainly have me coming back to the dealer every year - but as you say, the cost would be too high (unless they got sensible with what they actually charge internally for parts).
I agree with the second part of your post and there are already companies offering battery swaps, recons and fixes but the first bit about batteries only lasting 8 years is simply not factual. There are 12 year old Nissan Leafs (with very early technology and very poor battery management such as no cooling or charge level-related power management) seeing only 20% less miles than when new. Take a look at Fully Charged on YouTube, or recently Rory Reid who now presents on the Autotrader youtube channel and bought a ten year old Leaf with similar results.

Land Rover warranty the batteries for 7 years currently, and that’s warranty - not expect them to fail after that time.
 

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I agree with the second part of your post and there are already companies offering battery swaps, recons and fixes but the first bit about batteries only lasting 8 years is simply not factual. There are 12 year old Nissan Leafs (with very early technology and very poor battery management such as no cooling or charge level-related power management) seeing only 20% less miles than when new. Take a look at Fully Charged on YouTube, or recently Rory Reid who now presents on the Autotrader youtube channel and bought a ten year old Leaf with similar results.

Land Rover warranty the batteries for 7 years currently, and that’s warranty - not expect them to fail after that time.
I sincerely hope you're right, but there are Mercedes owners right now that are effectively pulling a load of dead batteries around in their 8 year old cars and being quoted £16,000 for a replacement. So without a mature repair service (none exists as yet for them), they have a written off car. Given my Jag is 10 this year and still perfect, that's alarming.
Can I run a 10 year old Hybrid or EV with the confidence I have in my Jag or will I live in fear of the impending £x,000 bill?
My concern is that it's still very early days and we haven't really got a handle on realistic lifespans yet. All we do know is, it's not 25 years before we see a serious impact.
Even a seemingly small drop of 20% is massive in real world terms. It could easily be the difference between getting home from visiting a customer, and having to queue at a (probably broken) charging point for 3 hours before you can complete your journey.
Decades ago, people expected to have to have a several hour break mid journey. Today, I expect to be able to drive to London or Edinburgh (200 miles) and turn around and come back without so much as a fuel stop. The idea of having to stop for over an hour to recharge (if you can find a working charger) fills me with dread.
 

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"There are 12 year old Nissan Leafs (with very early technology and very poor battery management such as no cooling or charge level-related power management) seeing only 20% less miles than when new"
I only know one Leaf owner, when his car was two years old the capacity was well down on original - it couldn't make the 70 mile round trip to his mothers without resorting to no heater and driving on the motorway at night with sidelights. Yes they have got better, and will get better still.
How many independent garages support BEVs or high voltage hybrids? So you are going to have to stick with the dealerships labour rates for a good few years until the old guys retire and the newer "mechanics" (can you call them that now?) go independent.
 
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How many independent garages support BEVs or high voltage hybrids? So you are going to have to stick with the dealerships labour rates for a good few years until the old guys retire and the newer "mechanics" (can you call them that now?) go independent.
I'm sure EV forms a large (and increasing) part of the C&G (or whatever they do these days) training courses for new mechanics so those coming into the industry over the next few years should know a lot more about them than their predecessors. I know my own local mechanic avoids any electronics as much as possible, but his Son, who now works with him, is much more comfortable plugging in a diagnostic reader and resolving such issues.
The concern will be, as it is now, how proprietory the technology is and how easy an engineer can swap between makes. We already have that issue with ECUs etc. I just replaced my battery but to get the stop-start working again, I need the BMS resetting. My mechanic can't find a gizmo that'll do Disco Sports, so, after making a substantial saving buying the battery online and fitting it myself (such a palava I imagine there's a decent charge to do it) I'm still forced to pay a specialist £66 to run a diagnostic and reset everything. Very annoying!
 

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OBD diagnostics became compulsory 2004 in the UK, so your local mechanic has had 18 years to brush up on electronics, my fear is that similar will happen with the new BEVs / hybrids. Yes the new guys will be trained as they come through college but they drip feed the industry rather than make a step change which is what is being forced on us by the government.
Having a late 2018 DS I understand your annoyance at paying to have the battery monitor reset, I have several hundred pounds of diagnostics bought for my LRs, doesn't work on my present car, specialists are saying that their diagnostics kit "should" work but it's a £800 punt and if you break the seal to test you cannot return it.
 
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Progress generally leaves some older generation behind, and provides new opportunities for others. So all those that do 3rd party gearbox rebuilds, or engine rebuilds etc will taper off, and as has been discussed a new market will open up for battery reconditioning. car "mechanics" will generally focus on brakes and suspension issues.

You'd think after diesel engines being used in cars 40+ years, they would be well resolved, but ask the large number of disco owners that have had oil related problems, resulting in engine failures etc etc, and its clear that's not the case. The point being that a) the current ICE technology has many problems of its own, resulting in many having no confidence that their car will be around in 25yrs time. b) like it or not, in the not so distant future, unless there is a gov backtrack, there will be no choice if you want to buy a new car, and so it'll be an acclimatisation process, and just a different set of problems to todays problems. At that time, the issue of charge points etc should be long gone, as the switch to all EV will demand chargers to be just about everywhere. c) I expect the gov to employ increasingly punitive taxation on petrol/diesel to effective force all but the very most belligerent to switch.

I also expect separate metering to be mandated on home chargers so gov can get some form of duty to replace fuel duty. Either that or all cars will be chipped up and pay a mileage based fee.
 
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