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Delays in deliveries - October 2020

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#1 ·
I ordered a p300e (PHEV) in spring of this year. I was initially told they'd start making them August, for a late August delivery. Then I was told in late September that my vehicle had been made, and delivery expected on or before 2nd October. That shifted to 9th October a week later. Today I've been told it's back to 16th October and received the following ...

'We have had contact from Land Rover suggesting all PHEV models are delayed slightly - even once complete. We have asked for further clarity on this.'

What is going on? I'm told my car was built over two weeks ago and I live an hour's drive from the factory. (The franchise is a similar distance.) Why would it take four week's to deliver a vehicle?

Is this normal? Should I be worried? Have they discovered a fault?
 
#78 ·
dorsetdisco said:
As someone with a late Freelander 2 that has proved quite reliable I was in the process of looking at ordering a DS but this looks like a dogs breakfast and confirms my view that you should never buy a car that has just come into production especially from JLR.
Aye, I learnt that lesson 3 times before I gave up with the DS dream . Some folks have faired slightly better with later models .
 
#79 ·
Barnsh said:
Aye, I learnt that lesson 3 times before I gave up with the DS dream . Some folks have faired slightly better with later models .
I would avoid new technology if possible because most of the time the risks outweigh the rewards. Don't believe anything that this manufacturer tells you. Let others do the in-field testing for them and wait to see what things look like after a couple of years. By then most of the worst issues will have been straightened out. Usually...
 
#80 ·
Confused

Isn't the f type a restyled discovery sport

They share the same d7 platform, engines, electronics, in control system, software updates and dealerships.
Just different styling, and setup for a more road biased use ?
 
#81 ·
pcheaven said:
Confused

Isn't the f type a restyled discovery sport

They share the same d7 platform, engines, electronics, in control system, software updates and dealerships.
Just different styling, and setup for a more road biased use ?
I assume you mean F-Pace, not F-Type (the sports car), but it's the E-Pace that shares a platform with the DS and Evoque. Made in Austria by Magna though, not at Halewood.

Although I've not heard that it's been updated to the new DS2 platform, nor if a PHEV is coming - maybe the E-Pace volumes aren't high enough and it'll quietly die without the update.
 
#84 ·
SarahStreet said:
Velar (L560) sits on the same D7a Platform as F-Pace (X761), XF (X260) and, perversely, XE (X760)
Yep , I'm waiting for the FPace variant to be tested by owners for a couple of years first , but I must add the new nose job it's had in design looks bloody awful imo.

Might just keep mine a while longer , it's 3 years old next Feb and never missed a beat . I also Pondered an SVR 😍but looks like that's been dropped of the website. I've got a hybrid bike so I'm doing my bit.😀

Maybe JLR are not selling those big engines to keep their C02 down for the EU figures?
 
#86 ·
Paul41 said:
Just for you Barnsh I've found the 2023 F-pace concept (F= foot of course)

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Ah ha , the true eco car , looks like a 7 seater too.
Zero road tax and in bare feet no running cost.
What's not to like 👍👍😂😂
 
#88 ·
Hopefully that confirms my dealers email last week, my P300e is being built 1st week of December & delivered around Christmas, I would have liked to have seen some press reviews first though
 
#89 ·
Latest news from JLR on the delivery delays and the situation regarding EV range and CO2 emissions.

  • JLR has halted sales of DS & Evoque PHEVs as it works to "reclassify the emissions ratings" of both cars.
  • P300e plug-in hybrids "are not currently available to order" but JLR will resume order taking on 26th October 2020.
  • Stated CO2 emissions are to rise from the figures given when the Evoque and DS went on sale in April.
  • Lowest CO2 for the DS will be 44 g/km.
  • Electric range will 43 km, previously quoted as 66 km.
  • JLR said it aims to improve those figures in "future versions".

"Work is ongoing, as the business emerges from the COVID-19 pandemic, to deliver the extended electric range and lower CO2 figures.
Source 1: Autonews
Source 2: Today News

Meanwhile, a well-known journalist has emailed to say that JLR is looking for a CO2 partner to reduce the impact of EU pollution fines. If it finds one (Renault is available) it is believed that this would ease the backlog on deliveries and lead to an earlier resumption of order taking.

Source: Yahoo Finance

If there is anyone on the forum with inside knowledge, maybe this would be a good time to confirm or refute the above.
 
#90 ·
Barnsh said:
SarahStreet said:
Velar (L560) sits on the same D7a Platform as F-Pace (X761), XF (X260) and, perversely, XE (X760)
Yep , I'm waiting for the FPace variant to be tested by owners for a couple of years first , but I must add the new nose job it's had in design looks bloody awful imo.

Might just keep mine a while longer , it's 3 years old next Feb and never missed a beat . I also Pondered an SVR 😍but looks like that's been dropped of the website. I've got a hybrid bike so I'm doing my bit.😀

Maybe JLR are not selling those big engines to keep their C02 down for the EU figures?
SVR may be back soon, saw a test car in Bewdley a few weeks ago....
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#94 ·
jonet said:
Barnsh said:
SarahStreet said:
Velar (L560) sits on the same D7a Platform as F-Pace (X761), XF (X260) and, perversely, XE (X760)
Yep , I'm waiting for the FPace variant to be tested by owners for a couple of years first , but I must add the new nose job it's had in design looks bloody awful imo.

Might just keep mine a while longer , it's 3 years old next Feb and never missed a beat . I also Pondered an SVR 😍but looks like that's been dropped of the website. I've got a hybrid bike so I'm doing my bit.😀

Maybe JLR are not selling those big engines to keep their C02 down for the EU figures?
SVR may be back soon, saw a test car in Bewdley a few weeks ago....
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Oh nice 😍😍.....happy days , I'll keep saving then.
Thanks for this.
 
#95 ·
VeryDiscoSport said:
Latest news from JLR on the delivery delays and the situation regarding EV range and CO2 emissions.

  • JLR has halted sales of DS & Evoque PHEVs as it works to "reclassify the emissions ratings" of both cars.
  • P300e plug-in hybrids "are not currently available to order" but JLR will resume order taking on 26th October 2020.
  • Stated CO2 emissions are to rise from the figures given when the Evoque and DS went on sale in April.
  • Lowest CO2 for the DS will be 44 g/km.
  • Electric range will 43 km, previously quoted as 66 km.
  • JLR said it aims to improve those figures in "future versions".

"Work is ongoing, as the business emerges from the COVID-19 pandemic, to deliver the extended electric range and lower CO2 figures.
Source 1: Autonews
Source 2: Today News

Meanwhile, a well-known journalist has emailed to say that JLR is looking for a CO2 partner to reduce the impact of EU pollution fines. If it finds one (Renault is available) it is believed that this would ease the backlog on deliveries and lead to an earlier resumption of order taking.

Source: Yahoo Finance

If there is anyone on the forum with inside knowledge, maybe this would be a good time to confirm or refute the above.
Nice to know nothing is set in stone eh?
Thank god they have covid to blame for messing up there figures , that's some virus !
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#96 ·
Even now LR are hiding the truth as the new figures they are quoting are the best case figures for the Evoque entry level model & that being with 18" wheels, no spare wheel, No tow bar etc. So what are the figures for the discovery sport HSE the car I've actually ordered that was described as having a 42g emissions stated in writing on my order even more important to me what is the new electric only range? Looks as if my Dealer will be getting a call cancelling my order. At least I've got time to pull out.
 
#97 ·
How on earth have LR managed to shoot themselves in the foot like this? WLTP range two thirds of previously announced? And blame Covid-19?
 
#98 ·
Well company car drives are in for a shock , their propose BIK of 6% may well Gow up to 12-14% , so that's going to cost and additional £1200 a year !
 
#99 ·
This rat was relatively easy to smell by those who have been the previous victims of brochure misrepresenration.

VeryDiscoSport said:
The figures provided by JLR "are manufacturer's estimates and will be replaced with the official EU test figures as soon as they are available. For comparison purposes only. Real world figures may differ. CO₂ and fuel economy figures may vary according to factors such as driving styles, environmental conditions, load, wheel fitment and accessories." JLR Track Record RED warning - driving styles,
VeryDiscoSport said:
JLR has published some uncorroborated manufacturer test results. These represent the best that it was able to achieve with the lightest, most economical configuration. The figures still have to be independently verified.
VeryDiscoSport said:
JLR has still not published the full brochure for the 2021 Discovery Sport. If we compare the website menus for the DS with the D5, the omission is apparent. At present all that's on the website for the DS is the Accessories eBrochure and a Pricing and Specification Guide. If it was a house, you would say that you were "Buying OFF PLAN". You will recognise the Full brochure by its size - normally it runs to just over 100 pages. It will be accessed by a hyperlink entitled "Main eBrochure".
Toyota RAV4 vs Discovery Sport PHEV
 
#100 ·
sandbox said:
The only person spreading fake news is you! As I have repeatedly pointed out, all the info is on the web site. There is no legal requirement to have a PDF brochure!

Here is the tech spec brochure with dimensions and official WLTP figures:

https://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/Land-Rover-Discovery-Sport-WLTP-Insert-1L5502110000WGBEN01P_tcm295-798845.pdf

The EV range for the RAV4 is also further because of the 20% bigger battery.

Fact checked!
Seems like standards at the University of Fact Checking are not what they were. If I've followed this correctly, JLR has admitted to the press that the figures it provided previously are wrong - so why is this misleading data still on its website? As of time of posting, it hadn't been removed.

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#101 ·
seatsl said:
sandbox said:
The only person spreading fake news is you! As I have repeatedly pointed out, all the info is on the web site. There is no legal requirement to have a PDF brochure!

Here is the tech spec brochure with dimensions and official WLTP figures:

https://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/Land-Rover-Discovery-Sport-WLTP-Insert-1L5502110000WGBEN01P_tcm295-798845.pdf

The EV range for the RAV4 is also further because of the 20% bigger battery.

Fact checked!
Seems like standards at the University of Fact Checking are not what they were. If I've followed this correctly, JLR has admitted to the press that the figures it provided previously are wrong - so why is this misleading data still on its website? As of time of posting, it hadn't been removed.

sandbox_brochure.PNG
145 mph in a DS? Put me down for one now...
 
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