Euro 6 deadline

BobbyBox · Mar 21, 2015

There has been quite a lot of noise around the September 2015 deadline for the mandatory introduction of Euro 6 compliant diesel engines.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/90816/euro-6-emissions-standards-what-do-they-mean-for-you

Its my understanding that the current DS 2.2 is a Euro 5 compliant engine. So does that mean that from 1st September all new DS will have to be Euro 6 compliant? through either modifications to the current engine or the introduction of the JLR Infinium engines? or do they only need one compliant engine in the DS range to meet the regulatory change? (e.g. the rumored 2 wheel drive variant).

Does anyone have any idea what will happen?

Kvacul · Mar 21, 2015

I would love to know the answer to this! The articles I have read say that all cars registered from September must be E6 compliant - so is Ingenium coming soon?

slider · Mar 23, 2015

I think its obligatory for all new models launched after deadline....vehicles already in production are OK IIRC...so Discovery 5 will have to be Euro6

Rogerone · Mar 23, 2015

September 2014 was the deadline for the omologation of new models. I'm sure LR was in a hurry with the Disco.
1st january 2016 is the deadline for new registrations of existing models like the Disco. September 2015 has been pushed to january 2016.

Chippy · Mar 23, 2015

Hello,
Just to introduce myself as a Brit living for a number of years (since 1975 to be precise) in southern Germany. Currently driving FL2 and am just about to order DS from my local dealer.
He just confirmed that for registrations as of 1.September 2015 Euro 6 is mandatory. SMMT and European Automotive Manufacturer's Association confirm this so I'd be interested to understand where Rogerone got the information that this has been pushed out to January 2016.

Rogerone · Mar 23, 2015

I live in Italy, so I guess the january 2016 deadline is for my country only, I have no idea why.

KaikouraDiscoSport · Mar 24, 2015

I wish LR would just be clear on the exact launch on the new 2.0 Ingenium Diesel engines in the Discovery Sport. Clearly the factory does know, so why keep us in the dark and not allow us an informed decision on when to order what???

DiscoCrazy · Mar 24, 2015

So they can sell existing models, make money and fix issues of early production models

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Agree, I want to know as well!

Freeway · Mar 24, 2015

I got this reply from "Marketing Executive Digital Team Jaguar Land Rover" regarding Ingenium engines:

Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.

Please be advised, the new Ingenium engine will be available in the Discovery Sport later in 2015, with no dates being confirmed at present.

To keep up to date on all of our up and coming products I would recommend registering your interest with your local Retailer and also by visiting our Newsroom.

Chippy · Mar 24, 2015

The simple answer to the non committal comment from the marketing executive is that nobody will be able to register a car in Europe after 1.9.2015 unless it has a Euro 6 emissions engine. So either JLR have to get their act together or they sell no cars. I'll be ordering my DS on Thursday this week from my dealer with the proviso that it will only be delivered with Ingenium engine and have already agreed a part exchange price for my FL2 based in this.

Freeway · Mar 24, 2015

Chippy, can DS be ordered with Ingenium engines already? Is there a difference in terms of price

Chippy · Mar 25, 2015

Hello Freeway,
I'll be placing my order with the dealer tomorrow (26.Feb.) and he will hold it back until he is in a position to pass the order on to JLR Germany.
The price I'll be paying will be the current list price (for the current 2,2L Ford engine) and he has confirmed that is what I'll pay. He also told me that any DS they are taking orders for as of now will automatically be with Ingenium engines because JLR can't delivery before September 2015 anyway and that means Euro 6.
They are expecting new price lists in a couple of weeks but he says, this doesn't have anything to do with Euro 6 but with additional extras or combinations of extras. As soon as I see them in the internet here in Germany I can post something up.
As I mentioned I've already agreed a price for our FL2 which is fixed for delivery with Ingenium engine.

Freeway · Mar 25, 2015

That's very interesting information Chippy.
It's good news the price will not be increased.
Thanks a lot.

Chippy · Mar 25, 2015

No problem - I can only hope that what they've told me here in Germany applies to your guys (and gals) as well. Have a good day

andythedrummer · Mar 25, 2015

If they can only deliver Ingenium after September 1st then surely the 4WD version version must be made available very soon after the 2WD version ( a matter of weeks rather than months) ?

KaikouraDiscoSport · Mar 28, 2015

What is the official news on this in the UK?
What do those working at LR know?

thois · Mar 28, 2015

Do you know if they accept orders today for 4WD Discovery Sports with Ingenium diesel engines?

Chippy · Mar 28, 2015

I placed my order for a DS 4WD on 26.March with 2 Litre Ingenium engine with a deliver date September 2015. The dealer accepted the order but it cannot yet be scheduled into the production plan. He expects this will be possible within the next few weeks.

philn · Mar 30, 2015

Talked to dealer today and he says they may reduce the HP on the current engine in September to comply with euro 6.

Seems heath robinson to me, wonder if they will reduce the price!.

Triple7 · Mar 30, 2015

philn said:
Talked to dealer today and he says they may reduce the HP on the current engine in September to comply with euro 6.

Seems heath robinson to me, wonder if they will reduce the price!.

Will stick with my ole 2.2 SD4 then!

J77 · Mar 30, 2015

Yep, I'm pretty pleased with my old engine. Fuel economy is in the mid 40s.

Chippy · Mar 30, 2015

If by simply reducing the HP of the current 2.2 Litre engine would suffice to achieve Euro 6 then one would question as to why JLR spent several millions in developing Ingenium. There is no way the current engine can be modified to meet the latest regulations. New engine will use AdBlue which is pretty much standard for all Euro 6 engines, You can find details in the instruction book for the new Jaguar XE in Topix. However my information is that 2.0 Litre Ingenium will have reduced HP and torque when compared to current 2.2 Litre engine. Price will increase.

philn · Mar 30, 2015

2 versions of the new diesel will be produced, the smaller one with 161bhp, not sure what bhp larger one will have but would imagine not too far off the 190 now produced. The new engine is a lot lighter than the present one as well.
The dealer mentioned reducing the HP to 180, only reporting what he said and taken with a pinch of salt.

Rogerone · Mar 30, 2015

Evoque with ingenium engines, from the italian official web site.
150hp 380@1500rpm
180hp 430@1500rpm

Natwest · Mar 30, 2015

philn said:
Talked to dealer today and he says they may reduce the HP on the current engine in September to comply with euro 6.

Seems heath robinson to me, wonder if they will reduce the price!.

Hmm... Dealer talking ollocks

Ingenium also means no royalty fees to PSA / Ford for the 2.2 diesel. £££s per engine .

Chippy · Mar 30, 2015

I've checked the detailsmof my order for September delivery with Ingenium engine and it ties up with comments from Rogerone. Same (not less as I thought) HP and lower torque. Quite agree with Natwest!

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